tonight. he will join me at the bottom of the hour here on cnn. hello, everyone. don lemon here in new york. you are in the "cnn newsroom." we have new details about hannah anderson. the couple that spotted hannah and her suspected captor in idaho says the teen was wearing pajamas and their camping gear looked brand new. >> these people did not want to talk to us whatsoever. and i said to the girl that was soaking her feet, i said what are you doing with your feet in the water? don't you know there's fish in there. kind of joking. then as we turned right away, she didn't make any comment. so we turned to go away and says it looks like we're all in trouble now. all of their gear looked like it was brand new. that was another little flag that wasn't -- just wasn't normal or natural. >> you're going to hear much

more from these trail riders throughout the hour here on cnn. meantime, hannah anderson is expected to rejoin her father brett today for the first time since a once-trusted family friend shattered their lives. hannah was rescued from a idaho wilderness after the fbi shot and killed her alleged captor james dimaggio. also suspected of murdering her mother and little brother. fbi search and rescue teams hiked for hours to find her. physically hannah's okay. but the trauma of her ordeal could linger for years. and for hannah and her family and her father, this family reunion may be filled with joy and grief. they each have each other, but they have lost so much. it was an agonizing week for the entire family of hannah anderson. waiting, hoping, praying for good news and the reunion sure to be bittersweet. remember her mother and brother died a week ago. their remains found in the suspect's burned out house near

san diego. paul vercammen is in san diego right now. you just spoke with hannah's grandparents. what did they tell you, paul? >> reporter: well, sarah and ralph wanted to reach out to the riders and thank them for rescuing their granddaughter. this was for them me best case scenario that hannah survived. and they made an illusion to dimaggio's death and said i guess there won't be a trial and that's good. they also said the riders were awesome. then we talked about other things. of course now this is the gut wrenching part. they have to plan for a memorial service for their only child, their daughter tina, and their grandson ethan. i asked them was there anything that suggested to you that there was something odd going on with jim dimaggio? any indication he might snap? here's what they had to say. >> what surfaced at the end here

was that, you know, just a few weeks ago hannah made a comment to her friends that she felt awkward, weird around him because he said he had a crush on her. and she was afraid to tell her parents because jim's family. and her friends, you know, the awareness wasn't there for them to tell their parents or another adult so that, you know, we could have acted on this earlier. a week earlier. and it might have helped. >> reporter: and sara britt also saying this is a cautionary tale and for all teens and parents and grandparents to pay close attention. just see if there are any signs out there that someone might be grooming a child or plotting something, anything out of the ordinary. >> let's talk a little bit more about grooming. and possibly in this particular situation. there's lots of questions about whether hannah was kidnapped or

willingly went to dimaggio. the details we heard, what the police that spotted them said. have police given you more information about this? >> reporter: yes. on camera yesterday talking to a captain with the san diego county sheriff's office, he flatly said they always considered this to be a straight-up kidnapping. that hannah was taken against her will. and then he sort of characterized this offcamera saying she went into survival mode in his estimation and that was go along with dimaggio and don't do anything radical to cause him to snap further and perhaps kill her. they consider this to be a kidnapping. no debate at the sheriff's office and also among hannah's relatives. they say there's no way she would have gone with this dimaggio willingly, the once-trusted family friend who basically turned his back on all of them and shattered this family. >> paul vercammen, san diego, california. thank you very much.

one missing person case ends with hannah's safe recovery. but there is another one today. an active amber alert in rhode island. this one for a little boy just two years old. nick valencia following this one since this morning for us. nick, who is this boy? and what do police think happened to him? >> reporter: hey, don. this 2-year-old boy is isaiah perez. this boy was in a house where two people were found dead and he was allegedly abducted from this house in johnston, rhode island. now, i spoke to a source -- a local law enforcement source in rhode island and they said a suspect in connection with this case was arrested this afternoon in fall river, massachusetts. that's about 30 or 45 minutes outside of johnston, rhode island. it is worth notes, though, there are conflicting reports. the boston globe is saying that that arrest was a false alarm. they cited a massachusetts state police department source in that. we doubled back with our sources and they say no a suspect is definitely in custody. but the bottom line here, don,

is that a 2-year-old boy is still missing and that sis amber alert is still active. >> what is the relationship between this missing boy and michael crowell. >> reporter: we're trying to figure that out. we know there's a relationship between crowell and the victims in the house. we don't know what that is. investigators are holding their cards close to the chest on this one. they didn't release any more information on this besides saying this man you're looking at here is a suspect in connection with this case with the amber alert. isaiah perez, two years old. we're trying to get a picture of him as well. right now we only have a photo of the suspect in this case. that 2-year-old little boy still missing. >> thank you, nick valencia. on top of the story for us in atlanta. search and cleanup efforts are going on in colorado following incredible flooding. homes were damaged and property

flooded in a community just west of colorado springs. you may have seen these incredible pictures. rain turned this highway into a raging muddy river. cars and people inside of those cars. one person was found dead. two others are still unaccounted for. in california now, firefighters have turned the corner in their battle against the silver fire burning in the mountains east of los angeles. the 19,000 acre blaze is 75% contained. but in four days, it's done a lot of damage. flames destroyed more than two dozen homes and injured ten firefighters. the trail riders who spotted missing hannah anderson are giving amazing detail it is about their encounter. much more from them throughout the hour here on cnn. but first, the president lays out a new plan when it comes to how the government watches you. good plan? we're discussing. next. life in the best light. outdoors, or in. transitions® lenses automatically filter

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all those american embassies that shut down overseas last weekend are open again today. all but one. this one, the u.s. embassy in the capital of yemen. it will remain closed until the state department decides the threat of an attack there is lower. a total of 19 u.s. am baa sis and consulates across the middle east and africa closed when some intercepted communications hinted that al qaeda was going operational with a strike plan. here in the u.s., the osprey aircraft -- arrived at martha's vineyard this weekend aboard it. the sleek tilt row tar aircraft takes off like a helicopter and flies like an airplane. the osprey has a crash past.

right now the plan is for the president's travel detail not president obama himself to fly on this aircraft. it may be a quiet week on the hill, but president obama was far from silent about a slew of topics during a news conference friday. although his assertion that edward snowden was not a patriot for leaking details about top secret u.s. surveillance programs was brushed aside today by snowden's father. listen. >> in terms of him characterizing my son like a patriot or peter king who call him a traitor, what i would say is my son has spoken the truth. he has sacrificed more than either the president of the united states or peter king have ever in their american lives. so how they choose to characterize him really doesn't carry weight with me. >> joining me now to break it down, cnn commentator elsie

granderson. and then later on amy holmes will join us. ahead of this, the president unveiled new measures for government surveillance. how does he sell this in the wake of edward snowden? >> i don't really think he can. this is a pr nightmare for the obama administration right now. all the things he's talking about, all the things he's shared sounds like a lot of talk to the american people. it's really disappointing in a sense that for the most part, the things we discover from snowden are things that we already knew and just forgotten. they have been recharacterized and reframed. now it looks as if it's breaking news and obama is putting out a lot of fires. at this point with the economy still being sluggish and people having a huge distrust of the government, i don't think there's really very much he can say to the american people other

than totally getting rid of the nsa that's going to win over most american's trust. >> are you saying this because there had been details around out before? we've been -- with the fake scandals that don't amount to anything. do you agree with the president this is a false scandal, the nsa scandal? >> i agree in a sense that the way it's been characterized is that this is something that the obama administration sort of created. this is something that we've been doing not too much further beyond september 11th. it's been reported by the media. it's been in newspapers for a decade. and so, in fact, i was watching realtime with bill maher and he read a story from usa today that was back from 2006. and it sounded exactly like a story that was being read in 2013. and so, no.

a lot of the things we were talking about was not new. because it's been recharacterized and because it comes on the heels of the irs, it comes on the heels of benghazi, it's a recharacterization of old news, if you will. >> amy, i'll let you weigh in on that. but i want to talk to you about this. the house committee chairman mike mccall said today he doesn't believe president obama would have acted to reform a national security agency program were it not for the leaks from edward snowden. listen and then we'll talk. >> i think when the story initially broke, the president went under recovery. he finally came out last friday coming out with ways to salvage the program by window dressing. forming a website, for instance, an outside group. and the problem fundamentally is he's failed to explain these programs which are lawful, which have saved lives, which have

stopped terrorist plots. he has not adequately explained them or defended them. and now he's in a bit of a mess. i'll tell you why. because on the heels of the irs scandal where people don't trust this government, this administration with their tax records, they sure don't trust this administration with their phone records. i think that's the dilemma the president's in right now. >> do you think reforms will ease public concern or continue to stir the pot? >> well, i think it's a good step in the right direction, but it's still fairly cosmetic. yes, we now will have someone who's out on the half of civil liberties. but it's still going to be a secret court and these are going to be secret renderings that we won't understand how it arrived at its conclusions whether it's yea or nay to perform surveillance on whatever target. but i think that the congressman there is exactly right. the president would not have

acted if not nor snowden and the leaks. his own jaichls clapper, when he was in a senate hearing being asked directly about this program as he put it, he gave the least untruthful answer that he could. so in other words, we have the administration lying to sitting democrats sitting senators includesing the democrats. and not providing accurate information about what the government's doing. i would also throw into the mix that i think the surveillance of james rose and the fox news reporter and that secret court document signed by our attorney general, that lit the fire under the media for the first time. and that they are holding this president more accountable than they did up until this point. >> i was going to move on and go to a different subject, but since we got you late -- we had a technical issue -- this is a good subject to stay on. l.z., you sort of -- as she was talking, shaking your head. you disagree with what she's saying? >> no. no. i wasn't disagreeing.

i was actually agreeing with what she was saying. this is a bit of a -- as i said earlier, this is a pr nightmare. and the people are listening to what the president says. but people just don't trust the government. they didn't trust the government before president obama. they don't trust the government now. and i'm not sure if we had anyone in the pipeline for 2016 that could restore that trust any time soon. >> l.z., quickly here i want to ask you when people say how's this for the most transparent administration. first to l.z. and then to amy. >> well, you know, you have to compare that transparency to other administrations. i think people misinterpreted it saying you're going to understand everything. in comparison to other administrations. and i still find him to be a lot more transparent than some of the dealings we've had with previous presidents. but he's not -- he didn't stand up to say he's going to be

completely open with everything and he has not been. >> okay. amy quickly if you will? >> clearly we do have to have national security secrets he can't be revealing top classified information. even though he does when it's in the administration's to their own benefit. for example, the 19 embassies that were just closed. we learned leaks that that was possibly because of some conference call between al qaeda affiliates and operatives. i think that's a leak that harmed national security. but in terms of transparency. we see stone walling from this administration over and over. in fact, attorney general eric holder has been held in content for his stone walling on fast and furious. we still haven't had officials come clean about the irs scandal. it's one thing after the next where this administration, i think, is just trying to play to get past. and now it looks like at all time lows.

only 42% approve. all of this is taking a toll on the president's credibility. >> we've got to run because of the breaking news. thanks to both of you. thanks to l.z. and amy as well. no tiger/phil at the top of the leader board. but an exciting finish is shaping up at the pga championship. we're going to take a look live at the course next. humans. even when we cross our "ts" and dot our "i's", we still run into problems. that's why liberty mutual insurance offers accident forgiveness with our auto policies. if you qualify, your rates won't go up due to your first accident. because making mistakes is only human, and so are we. we also offer new car replacement, so if you total your new car, we'll give you the money for a new one. call liberty mutual insurance at... and ask us all about our auto features, like guaranteed repairs, where if you get into an accident and use one of our certified repair shops,

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to golf now. it's the last major of the year, the last one. joining me now is rachel nichols. it's not tiger or phil, but i don't know. what a day for jason dufner, right? >> reporter: absolutely. he is still leadsing by two with two holes to play. looks a little nervous a few holes ago. you can understand why. two years ago he was set to win this major. he was leading by five strokes with three holes to play which is basically as much of a lock as you can get without actually winning the thing. the problem is, he completely self-destructed and didn't actually win the thing. now he is trying to atone for that. really the big question is what pose is he going to strike if he does get the trophy? he's what we call a laid back kind of cat. in fact, why don't you take a look at this picture. this is when he was visiting a

school in texas earlier this year doing a good deed. but looks, well, let's just say, comatose sitting there. and his fellow golfers were so amused by this, they started calling it dufnering. they put up their own photos on twitter or facebook imitating jason dufner doing this. and they are all rooting for him to dufner with the trophy today. i know you've been working on your dufnering since we talked about this yesterday. we got to cross our fingers and hope if jason dufner win, he does a little extra dufnering today. >> once i'm on a full shot, i'll dufner it for you. maybe i'll send a picture. >> reporter: i need that. >> okay. did tiger struggle because he was 44th yesterday i think. >> reporter: yeah. he was at even par. it's frustrating for him because not only has he not won in the past five years a major, this time he wasn't even close. there were a couple majors where he felt he was in contention,

had something to play for sunday. this time he said it was so frustrating because he didn't have anything to do this weekend. he is going to be 38 years old this september, and there are certainly golfers who have won past that age. phil mickelson won this year at 43. tiger wants to win four more majors to surpass the record. that's only going to get tougher as he gets older. >> such an old man at 38. thank you, rachel. appreciate that. our top story now. a kidnapped california teen rescued from the idaho forest thanks to these folks horseback riders who ran into hannah anderson and her kidnapper. their details next. when george w. bush went under the knife to clear a heart artery, it shocked many.

here's this week's american journey. >> reporter: george w. bush has been regarded by many as the most fit president ever. mountain bikes, swimming, golfing, weight lifting, and laboring on his ranch. he was found in excellent health with no history of diabetes or hypertension and low to very low coronary artery disease risk. so when physicians found a heart blockage and inserted a stent to reopen an artery, some people may have been stunned but not dr. baron lerner. >> i think it is an instructive case that people should go to the doctor and not just assume because they exercise a lot they don't necessarily have a heart problem. >> reporter: he wrote a book called "when illness goes public." when celebrities get ill, this is what happens. public reaction rises sharply. betty ford first disclosed she

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in. we set up camp, rode in. mike here was first one to encounter the two bikers. the guy and the girl. the red flags kind of went up on him. >> what red flags? >> they -- the girl, she had -- i'll let mike explain that to you what he saw. and then when we went to the lake then they showed up at the lake and they was like a square peg trying to go into a round hole. he was not an outdoors man in idaho. he didn't fit. so when we got back to the camp that night after fishing and double twice we encountered them. then we discussed it. then we got home thursday evening and i put all the horses away, took care of our livestock

and everything. then we went into the house and the news flashed on. and the amber alert was on the television. i told my wife, i said that is that girl we seen on the mountain. but there was no phone number. so i talked -- my wife and i called back and said look at the tv and see if that girl doesn't look exactly like what we seen on the mountain. they kind of confirmed that. and then i called a friend of mine in the idaho state police, tom nesbitt. he used to work for me when i was a sheriff. i had all the confidence in the world in him. so i called him and told him what we'd seen and what was going on. and i knew that he'd get the ball rolling and keep it rolling. then the next morning we heard on the news where they found the car exactly where we told them it would be. >> you saw the car too? >> we never seen the car.

our trail going in came to a t with the trail they come in on. >> what was -- >> i can't hear you. >> what was it like? did she seemed frightened up there? >> they didn't -- they weren't friendly. they didn't talk. >> they didn't talk at all? >> they answered some of mike's questions. >> what did they say? >> mike? >> i just ask him where he was headed. he said he was going to the salmon river hopefully. but they were headed the wrong direction to get to the salmon river. that was one red flag for me. >> how would you describe how hannah was behaving? >> she was trying to turn her face away. i talked to her -- well, i didn't talk to her. i was mainly concentrating on him, but she was kind of had a scared look on her face when i first come up the trail. we didn't know if it was from the horses or what. but when i turned and talked to

him a little bit, i just had a gut feeling about him. >> how long was that interaction? ju >> just a few seconds. and then when we went up the trail a little ways, i turned an and told them there was something wrong there. >> you're going to hear more from the riders who spotted 16-year-old hannah anderson with her captor coming up on cnn. we've seen photos of dimaggio's car in the woods. piles of sticks on the car. hidden in the woods to avoid being spotted. here's what the vehicle actually looked like. his purple car would have really stood out. but next, hot weather that may be making you cranky. there might be some science behind that. ♪ [ male announcer ] you wait all year for summer. ♪ this summer was definitely worth the wait. ♪

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the pga championship down to the wire but the player people are talking about is not on the leader board. terrence moore. before we get to this, are you jealous of this beautiful weather here in new york? >> listen. we've been in a rainstorm here in atlanta for forever. come back and join us. in the wet and the rain. but it's been hot. >> so that's good for atlanta baseball. we're going to talk about that. rachel nichols said tiger hasn't won one of the major tournaments in five and a half years. will had he win another one? >> yes. he's only 37. in the short run, i think this guy might need to invest in a sports shrink.

there is no way you go from looking invincible to the week before as he did in akron shooting a 61 to looking like he did this weekend looking totally clueless. it's got to be totally mental. does dr. phil deal with golf issues? >> maybe some hypnosis. >> particularly when it comes to putting. >> we won't go there. let's talk the atlanta braves. they've had lots of injuries. and as you wrote in your column this week, they had 12 players under the age of 25. how are they doing? >> it's all about resiliency. this is the most resilient team in all of baseball. we said it again this week. the fkt they had that 14-game winning streak snapped, came back today and blasted the marlins. then you're talking about a team with a slew of injuries. lost their entire starting

outfield at some point in the season. besides resiliency, they also have great pitching and a manager freddie gonzalez that makes decisions that don't blow up in his face. at least not yet. >> okay. one of their amazing players named evan gatis, he once quit the game. he worked odd jobs. he lived in his van. he struggled with depression. now he's a key player in the season. you spoke not long ago with him and spoke about the quirky habits he had about not wearing batting gloves. here's what he told you. >> no batting gloves. my mom says that's because i would have lost them. i never liked batting gloves. i always like to feel the bat. one of my managers coming up in the minors put me into pinch hit. the only time before he said you didn't take practice swings. he was yelling at me and stuff. i don't know what that's all

about. i pride myself on being ready to hit. >> i like it when people overcome adversity. evan gattis, is he the real deal. >> he had three hits again today. you don't go from being homeless to spending your rookie year hitting 15 home runs as a third string catcher and be a fluke. so yes. >> all right. thank you, terrence. appreciate it. we'll be right back, everyone.

trail riders spotted

16-year-old hannah anderson and her alleged captor in the idaho wilderness and red flags went off. their camping equipment was new, anderson looked scared. take a listen. >> we was already saddled up and mounted our horses and everything. that's when we first seen them. we felt that was quite strange, because they had a whale of a hike coming down through the rocks and that steep country. and when i say steep, when we go down some of those switchbacks there on that trail, they just about take the hide off of a horse's tail there because they're sliding down on all fours getting down to the lake. so we was kind of surprised, because they had hiked a long ways. and they had some big ruck sacks on the ground. he was off to the side of the trail petting a gray cat. >> what? >> petting a gray cat.

and i made a comment then. i said what are you doing with a cat in here? them cats are only good for wolf -- you know to chum a wolf in or to bring a that was strange because in the back country in idaho you run across somebody back there hiking, they are usually quite friendly and exchange pleasantries and exchange knowledge about where they've been, what they done where they were going. these people didn't want to talk to us whatsoever. i said to the girl who was soaking her feet, i said what are you doing with your feet in the water. don't you know there's fish in there, kind of joking. she didn't make any comment. we turned right away and she says it looks like we're all in trouble now. >> that male rider has a lot of

details that set off a lot of details. wise noticed a lot of other red flags. >> there were four people on horseback in the outdoors, two of them were trained in intuition, a former sheriff, a former army ranger and their wives. studies show, research shows the best kind of group intelligence is actually two gender intelligence because women tend to have social intelligence, known have maybe more visual intelligence. they are looking at kind of his backpack and he's a california guy what is he doing here. women are looking at what's the relationship? this young girl. what's the deal here? so i think that was very helpful that you had the four people together and you had both genders. >> 16-year-old hanna anderson was rescued without any significant physical injuries. the suspect, james dimaggio was shot and killed. he shot her mother and brother

before leaving california. police in rhode island tell cnn they have two men in custody. they are not confirming yet whether one of them is the man, this man right here, malcolm crowell. authorities have been concerning for him since this morning when a 2-year-old boy went missing from a house where two people were killed. we're following this one closely and update you when we know more about the studio. >> dr. sanjay gupta has a change of heart. he now supports marijuana as a medication.

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cnn documentary airing tonight. it may make you rethink what you thought you knew about pot. chief medical correspondent for cnn dr. sanjay gupta spent nearly a year investigating the impact of marijuana on the body. he joins me now.

you wrote an op-ed. just a few days ago about weed. you wrote this we've been misled for nearly 70 years in the united states and i apologize for my own role in that. that's powerful words. how have we been misled? >> as a starting point, if you look at the literature in the united states on medical marijuana there's a lot of papers out there and if you look at them you find the vast majority of them are basically looking at how to figure out if there's harm or some problem or peril with medical marijuana. very few actually designed to look at benefit. i looked at these studies over the years and if you look at it it's a very distorted picture of the use of medical marijuana. and i think that that was part of the systemic misleading and something i had reported on in terms of my just not being impressed with medical marijuana. when i started to dig deeper, look outside the country, look at other labs that were doing incredible research, most of all talked to a lot of patient,

legitimate patients with legitimate problems i realized there was something more here. i was quick to dismiss those patients as these high visibility malingerers who were looking to get high. but i realized there's more. >> sometimes it's the only thing that works, right? >> i think so. it can be the only thing that works. we want to know if something is safe. we want to know if it works and how it works compared to other things. i met so many patients in the make being of this documentary, don. let me show you one example. meet 19-year-old chaz moore. he uses many different strains of marijuana. many of them high in cdb to treat his rare disorder of the diaphragm. >> it will lock up. >> that's why he's talking this way. almost speaking in hiccups like he can't catch his breath. he's about to show me how the marijuana works. he's been convulsing now for seven minutes. >> how quickly will it work?

>> like in the first five minutes. and i'm done like. >> that's it? >> that's it. >> it was actually less than a minute. >> so sanjay, i want to ask you and a lot of people want to know. how do we know he's not faking? >> he had been seen by doctors. he had been in an icu. he had a known diagnosis that he had been trying to get treated for years. actually at one point was on so many narcotics and muscle relaxants he was concerned he would overdose on one of those. somebody suggested marijuana. again a high cdp, low thc. thc gets you high. the strains we have been talking

about have negligible amounts of thc. >> some people are thinking the same thing, we've known this for a long time. why? when many of us were doing a documentary on marijuana we said why. it's like same sex marriage. isn't it over? the train has left the station. >> well, i mean look. if you look at the opinions around the country there's definitely been shifts back and forth. still a pretty divisive issue, don. i appreciate what you're saying but i guarantee you, i promise you there's a lot of people who don't share that point of view. >> it's amazing you have changed your opinion and why people should watch. that's what i'm saying. >> yeah. look. it's a year long investigation into this. for a lot of people out there who listen to the anecdotal notes and they want to be informed on the issue it's time. i'm not sure it will change people's mind pinpoint may or